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作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-4 21:36
标题: 市选投票: 对福特说不
本帖最后由 zhengqi1 于 2010-10-4 22:42 编辑

市选投票:对福特说不


市选投票日将近,坛子里突然有人向华人发出挺福特的号召,声音之高、能量之大,令人意外。不过看过之后,除了“当婊子立牌坊”的习惯思维,和极尽云山雾罩之能事之外,并无实质内容,不值得驳斥。福特可能当选多伦多市长,可作为华人,对这位曾经对少数族裔有不良言论的候选人,还是要小心为上,要用自己的选票对福特说不。

市议员福特引起华人注意,是在两年前有关亚裔像狗一样工作的言论。在一次市议会关于法定假期是否让商店关门的的辩论中,福特发表了这样一段话:

“亚裔们像狗那样卖力工作。他们不分昼夜,拼命干活。他们就在机器旁边睡觉。他们因此取得了成功。......我告诉你们,东方人正在逐渐占据我们的地盘”

这段话遭到了一致强烈的批评。市长苗大伟也认为这番话是“完全无法接受的”,福特应当对此公开道歉。但福特拒绝公开道歉,只承认错用字眼,表示无意贬低亚裔社区,只愿意向觉得被冒犯的人道歉。

这场轩然大波后来不了了之。

福特是个频爆丑闻的市议员,醉酒驾驶、家庭暴力、不当言论等,不一而足。这样行为不检的一位市议员,已经让无奈的人们见怪不怪了。不可想象,如果福特当上多伦多的市长,会是什么情况。

华人在海外向来对政治不感兴趣,身在所谓“民主”社会,也不是很在意自己手上的那张选票的分量,多数人对投票不是很积极。但是,我要说,当我们准备去投票的时候,就应当充分了解自己要投票支持的那个人,是不是值得手中这一票。

对福特,可能他有什么竞选政纲之类。这个作为竞选人,人人如此,且多半是忽悠,上台以后就不是他了。这里,对其放浪形骸,丑闻不断,也并不太关心。但那次自然流露的对亚裔的不当言论,则以为要引起大家足够的警惕。无论福特对“狗”的理解与大家有什么实质上的不同,无论他对“狗”赋予了什么新的意义,都无法回避在他眼中,亚裔是什么。有人说他不太像政客那么循规蹈矩,但他应该知道他在说什么,他也明白他在说什么。福特后来的避实击虚和躲躲闪闪,不愿就这个言论向亚裔公开道歉,也充分说明他的傲慢和作为政客的无赖。

这样一个福特,作为华人,即福特所谓“像狗那样工作”的“亚裔”的一部分,我们还要投他一票吗?

华人可以不关心这里的所谓“民主”生活,但起码要明白自己手上那一票的分量和愿望。

对福特,华人应该说不。
作者: 罗西    时间: 2010-10-4 21:39
福特发表了这样一段话:

“亚裔们像狗那样卖力工作。他们不分昼夜,拼命干活。他们就在机器旁边睡觉。他们因此取得了成功。......我告诉你们,东方人正在逐渐占据我们的地盘”
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福特真不要脸。
作者: ZGP民    时间: 2010-10-4 21:43
福特好象子,气死五毛。
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-4 21:49
福特发表了这样一段话:

“亚裔们像狗那样卖力工作。他们不分昼夜,拼命干活。他们就在机器旁边睡觉。他们因此取得了成功。......我告诉你们,东方人正在逐渐占据我们的地盘”
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福特真不要脸。
罗西 发表于 2010-10-4 22:39 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

不知道东方人占据了福特的什么“地盘”。
作者: 罗西    时间: 2010-10-4 21:58
福特好象子,气死五毛。
ZGP民 发表于 2010-10-4 22:43 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

你这个屁民, 自己气的话都说不利索了。:laugh:
作者: 刀近平    时间: 2010-10-4 22:03
本帖最后由 ~!@#$%^&*()_+ 于 2010-10-4 23:04 编辑

选谁当市长关键是要看他对中国的关系如何!
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-4 22:07
选谁当市长关键是要看他对中国的关系如何!
~!@#$%^&*()_+ 发表于 2010-10-4 23:03 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

你想得太多了。

你愿意选一个曾说你“像狗一样工作”的人当市长?
作者: velocity    时间: 2010-10-4 22:32
市选投票:对福特说不


市选投票日将近,坛子里突然有人向华人发出挺福特的号召,声音之高、能量之大,令人意外。不过看过之后,除了“当婊子立牌坊”的习惯思维,和极尽云山雾罩之能事之外,并无实质内容,不值得驳斥。福特可能当选多伦多市长,可作为华人,对这位曾经对少数族裔有不良言论的候选人,还是要小心为上,要用自己的选票对福特说不。

市议员福特引起华人注意,是在两年前有关亚裔像狗一样工作的言论。在一次市议会关于法定假期是否让商店关门的的辩论中,福特发表了这样一段话:

“亚裔们像狗那样卖力工作。他们不分昼夜,拼命干活。他们就在机器旁边睡觉。他们因此取得了成功。......我告诉你们,东方人正在逐渐占据我们的地盘”

这段话遭到了一致强烈的批评。市长苗大伟也认为这番话是“完全无法接受的”,福特应当对此公开道歉。但福特拒绝公开道歉,只承认错用字眼,表示无意贬低亚裔社区,只愿意向觉得被冒犯的人道歉。

这场轩然大波后来不了了之。

福特是个频爆丑闻的市议员,醉酒驾驶、家庭暴力、不当言论等,不一而足。这样行为不检的一位市议员,已经让无奈的人们见怪不怪了。不可想象,如果福特当上多伦多的市长,会是什么情况。

华人在海外向来对政治不感兴趣,身在所谓“民主”社会,也不是很在意自己手上的那张选票的分量,多数人对投票不是很积极。但是,我要说,当我们准备去投票的时候,就应当充分了解自己要投票支持的那个人,是不是值得手中这一票。

对福特,可能他有什么竞选政纲之类。这个作为竞选人,人人如此,且多半是忽悠,上台以后就不是他了。这里,对其放浪形骸,丑闻不断,也并不太关心。但那次自然流露的对亚裔的不当言论,则以为要引起大家足够的警惕。无论福特对“狗”的理解与大家有什么实质上的不同,无论他对“狗”赋予了什么新的意义,都无法回避在他眼中,亚裔是什么。有人说他不太像政客那么循规蹈矩,但他应该知道他在说什么,他也明白他在说什么。福特后来的避实击虚和躲躲闪闪,不愿就这个言论向亚裔公开道歉,也充分说明他的傲慢和作为政客的无赖。

这样一个福特,作为华人,即福特所谓“像狗那样工作”的“亚裔”的一部分,我们还要投他一票吗?

华人可以不关心这里的所谓“民主”生活,但起码要明白自己手上那一票的分量和愿望。

对福特,华人应该说不。
zhengqi1 发表于 2010-10-4 22:36 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

有一点偏跛, 不感苟同!

选举候选人, 最关键是他的政纲
及对这个城市的发展, 人民的福利等考虑
他必须代表全体市民, 而不是一部分选民利益
福特是有那么多的缺点, 针对亚裔的语言也不友好
但并不说明他没有能力管理这个城市
就好比一个人反动, 但不能说他没有学识和道德
如胡适,张大千之流!
这种例子不胜枚举, 胜不胜数
我们不能以偏盖全, "攻其一点, 不及其余"!
否则让其他族裔批评中国人感情用事
不会就事论事, 公正, 公平看问题
以致让人家另眼相看, 视如陌人
永远徘徊于主流社会之外!

小平同志说:
"不管白猫黑猫, 抓到老鼠就是好猫"
这样的比喻同样适用于非中国人
因为我们都是human beings!
:thinking:
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-4 23:06
有一点偏跛, 不感苟同!

选举候选人, 最关键是他的政纲
及对这个城市的发展, 人民的福利等考虑
他必须代表全体市民, 而不是一部分选民利益
福特是有那么多的缺点, 针对亚裔的语言也不友好
但并不说明他没有能力管理这个城市
就好比一个人反动, 但不能说他没有学识和道德
如胡适,张大千之流!
这种例子不胜枚举, 胜不胜数
我们不能以偏盖全, "攻其一点, 不及其余"!
否则让其他族裔批评中国人感情用事
不会就事论事, 公正, 公平看问题
以致让人家另眼相看, 视如陌人
永远徘徊于主流社会之外!

小平同志说:
"不管白猫黑猫, 抓到老鼠就是好猫"
这样的比喻同样适用于非中国人
因为我们都是human beings!
velocity 发表于 2010-10-4 23:32 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


不偏一点是不可能的,但还不至于跛,尚能立得住。

政纲大家都有,但从候选人的政纲排比来看,都不能代表全体市民。同时,市政的基本职能不过是下米做饭,亦即维持市政正常的运作,锅就那么大,米也要那么多,米从何来、怎么来,都不是谁上去就能轻易改变。市长和政客们最关心的,上台前是如何忽悠选票,上台后是如何巧立名目伸手掏百姓口袋的钱。没有例外。

简单说,所有人都深恶痛绝的地产转让税和汽车税,福特上台也不会轻易废除。

候选人在很大程度上也只代表他所关注的群体。那么反过来,选民也只看重自己那部分的利益是否能够获得或得以保存。

由此看,华人当然要关注未来市长对自己群体的利益是否看重、多元文化的观念是否能得以尊重和发扬。

一个对亚裔并不友好的市长,是不能抱任何幻想的。
作者: Bumblebee    时间: 2010-10-4 23:31
不管选谁上台,都是多伦多的加拿大公民的事情,请中国国籍的人不要干涉加国内政。
作者: 实在人    时间: 2010-10-5 02:28
好像西方人说“像狗一样工作”,和中国人说“像老黄牛一样工作”是一个意思吧?就好像中国人说:我不是夜猫子。西方人则会说:I'm not a night dog。
拿这个来做文章,是不是有点弱智啊?
作者: 共产党    时间: 2010-10-5 04:26
回复 11# 实在人
同意11楼。这个打中共国旗的毛左不过是利用华人对西方语言习惯的不了解兴风作浪,挑拨离间而已。很多年前我刚到加拿大,就听我的老板说他自己"I work hard like a dog", 这正是如同中国人说自己“像老黄牛一样工作”并无贬义。
作者: 紫黄    时间: 2010-10-5 05:16
回复  实在人
同意11楼。这个打中共国旗的毛左不过是利用华人对西方语言习惯的不了解兴风作浪,挑拨离间而已。很多年前我刚到加拿大,就听我的老板说他自己"I work hard like a dog", 这正是如同中国人说自己“像老黄牛一样工作”并无贬义。
酒中仙 发表于 2010-10-5 05:26 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


我还不很清楚这些人是怎么回事,但有一点似乎中外习惯一样:自贬不算贬,贬人才是贬。
说自己是“丑八怪”、“倒霉鬼”、“白痴”、“肥猪”。。。。都无关紧要,但用在别人身上,要小心了。
作者: 共产党    时间: 2010-10-5 06:01
我还不很清楚这些人是怎么回事,但有一点似乎中外习惯一样:自贬不算贬,贬人才是贬。
说自己是“丑八怪”、“倒霉鬼”、“白痴”、“肥猪”。。。。都无关紧要,但用在别人身上,要小心了。
紫黄 发表于 2010-10-5 06:16 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

中国人喜欢自贬以显示谦虚之美德,西方人则是决不自贬的,这一点中外全然不同。况且,如果一个中国人说“我工作像个老黄牛”不仅不是自贬,而是自吹。说福特说这话不够小心,我同意,结果确实被有些人抓住掀起轩然大波。
作者: 野驰    时间: 2010-10-5 06:08
不管选谁上台,都是多伦多的加拿大公民的事情,请中国国籍的人不要干涉加国内政。
Bumblebee 发表于 2010-10-5 00:31 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


河蟹八旗的遗老遗少,你是不能指望其脱去奴性,站起来作为一个加国人来思考的
作者: 骑兵连连长    时间: 2010-10-5 07:33
标题: 到底谁弱智?
好像西方人说“像狗一样工作”,和中国人说“像老黄牛一样工作”是一个意思吧?就好像中国人说:我不是夜猫子。西方人则会说:I'm not a night dog。
拿这个来做文章,是不是有点弱智啊?
实在人 发表于 2010-10-5 03:28 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


这绝非是文化差异问题,当年福特发出“亚裔人抢占地盘”的言论,一群包括土生的亚裔人士挺身出来抗议,那些在英文和西方文化里天天摸爬滚打、以白人为主的市议会破天荒投票通过决议,要求福特向亚裔人士道歉。按照“实在人”的想法,这些人都是“弱智”?

福特屡屡侵犯亚裔和移民,在选举期间又说出“不欢迎移民”的言论,被团体评为“族裔公平”不及格。倒是某些人明明知道福特有歧视言论,依然掩耳盗铃式地替他辩护,甚至还有些中医造反派要给他办筹款晚宴,那才是被人卖了还替人数钱。“智商”高得过头了!
作者: 骑兵连连长    时间: 2010-10-5 07:34
标题: 推動「族裔公平」得分懸殊.史振民最高 福特不及格
綜合報道


致力於「族裔平等、人類尊嚴與社會公平」的倡權組織為多倫多市長候選人推動「族裔公平」方面評分,史振民(George Smitherman)得分最高,為B+;福特(Rob Ford)則不及格,為F;介於中間的為彭德龍(Joe Pantalone),得分B,羅西為(Rocco Rossi)C分。

該團體名為「關注及改變族裔貧窮運動網絡」(Colour of Poverty Campaign-Colour of Change Network,簡稱COP/C),包括多倫多東南亞法律研究中心(Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic)、非裔加拿大人法律研究中心(African Canadian Legal Clinic)、阿拉伯裔加拿大人聯會(Canadian Arab Federation)、安省南亞法律研究中心(South Asian Legal Clinic of Ontario)及安省移民服務機構聯合會(Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants)等。


政綱優先次序為評分標準


COP/C的評分標準為,候選人政綱的重點及優先次序。其中包括:擴大廉租屋、非公民可享有投票權、支持就業平等計劃、少數族裔獲得市府提供的計劃與服務。COP/C還評估候選人是否「真正理解、讚同及遵循多市的座右銘『多元化是我們的優勢』。」

該項評估報告將於周一正式公佈。報告中指出,福特是拒絕與該團體會晤機會的唯一主要市長候選人。

史振民競選團女發言人莫澤絲(Erika Mozes)表示:「調查中所涉及到的問題是多倫多選民非常關心的,從中可以看到史振民與福特在這些問題上的差異。」「史振民長期以來關注這類問題。」

多倫多東南亞法律研究中心總監吳瑤瑤認為,史振民的評分之所以比彭德龍略高,是因為其就業平等競選政綱更廣泛,而且,與彭德龍不同,他更願意考慮蒐集多市的族裔資料。

彭德龍的發言人史密斯(Mike Smith)則表示:「注意到史振民得分略高,似乎是根據其許諾而定,並不一定說明他實際上會遵守其承諾。」他又說:「需要很多資源,與此同時,史振民的競選政綱基於削減多市的資源之上。」

吳瑤瑤表示,COP/C發表評分報告的部分原因是希望向候選人施加壓力,重視對「弱勢群體」重要的問題。例如,競選運動至今,稅賦沉重及浪費公帑現象等被極大忽視。

「星報」記者周日下午試圖聯絡福特與羅西競選團隊,但未獲回應。資料來源:星報
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-5 08:06
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-5 13:08 编辑

"今年市选,选民是什么心情?老百姓对市长苗大伟引入的土地转让和汽车登记两大新税本来就已不满;而市府从这当中搜刮来的金钱,又被大手大脚地花掉了,以至每当做预算时,便危言耸听、漏洞巨大,好像日子过不下去了,物业税将增加10%到20%。老百姓不胜其扰。市议员们则熟视无睹,习以为常。(newstarnet.com)

但真正触痛市民的,其实并不是什么大事,就象尊贵的左翼思想者将福特的不花纳税人金钱作为办公经费的事情视为小事一桩,触痛市民也是那些小事:一,市议员们冻结了市府非工会成员官员的工资,但却给自己加薪2.42%。人们说伪君子,太虚伪了;二,某市议员吃官司花了律师费,其他同道为他策划由纳税人报销。此时幸亏媒体揭发,否则就付诸实行了。(newstarnet.com)

因此,当福特提出多伦多市议会的“揩油列车”必须停驶,立刻打动了广大劳动人民的心。能登上揩油列车的必是关系户、有头脸的家伙们,劳动人民如果一旦登上那滚滚向前的揩油列车,也立时自动丧失劳动人民的地位了。这样的竞选口号,虽然没有远大的目标、高尚的理想、深沉的理念,却仍能帮助福特贴近百姓,获得共鸣。(newstarnet.com)"
作者: 远方思想随笔    时间: 2010-10-5 08:27
选谁当市长关键是要看他对中国的关系如何!
~!@#$%^&*()_+ 发表于 2010-10-4 23:03 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


老兄,最好是中共党员。
作者: yetan    时间: 2010-10-5 08:34
支持.没有自由黨的移民政策,就没有90牟代后期至今的大量中国移民.当时争論中有公开指对亚裔.
51网站为大家做了很多服务,但在这次市选中又一次暴露作为媒體有失公允.
作者: 中国大陆中文    时间: 2010-10-5 08:39
福特我不想选, 但更不想选一个GAY来当市长, 难以抉择啊..........
作者: weinberger    时间: 2010-10-5 08:41
报告连长, 你支持的史振民看过两次神韵演出啊  

綜合報道


致力於「族裔平等、人類尊嚴與社會公平」的倡權組織為多倫多市長候選人推動「族裔公平」方面評分,史振民(George Smitherman)得分最高,為B+;福特(Rob Ford)則不及格,為F;介於中間的為彭德龍(Joe Pantalone),得分B,羅西為(Rocco Rossi)C分。

該團體名為「關注及改變族裔貧窮運動網絡」(Colour of Poverty Campaign-Colour of Change Network,簡稱COP/C),包括多倫多東南亞法律研究中心(Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic)、非裔加拿大人法律研究中心(African Canadian Legal Clinic)、阿拉伯裔加拿大人聯會(Canadian Arab Federation)、安省南亞法律研究中心(South Asian Legal Clinic of Ontario)及安省移民服務機構聯合會(Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants)等。


政綱優先次序為評分標準


COP/C的評分標準為,候選人政綱的重點及優先次序。其中包括:擴大廉租屋、非公民可享有投票權、支持就業平等計劃、少數族裔獲得市府提供的計劃與服務。COP/C還評估候選人是否「真正理解、讚同及遵循多市的座右銘『多元化是我們的優勢』。」

該項評估報告將於周一正式公佈。報告中指出,福特是拒絕與該團體會晤機會的唯一主要市長候選人。


「星報」記者周日下午試圖聯絡福特與羅西競選團隊,但未獲回應。資料來源:星報
骑兵连连长 发表于 2010-10-5 08:34 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 淘声依旧    时间: 2010-10-5 08:43
几个领事馆的家属出来变相的挺屎振民来了, 看看你们对陈思反映在领事馆办事遭歧视的帖子冷嘲热讽的话, 你们有什么资格管加拿大人的事? 屎振民这些狮子大开口要大把花钱却不管控制多伦多税负过重过快增长的主, 收再重的税你们也不用交, 当然可以胡来了.
作者: 中国大陆中文    时间: 2010-10-5 08:43
福特我不想选, 但更不想选一个GAY来当市长, 难以抉择啊..........
中国大陆中文 发表于 2010-10-5 09:39 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    还是投老唐一票吧.
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-5 09:09
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-5 13:03 编辑

Rod Ford Era of Canadian Politicos
Ford's victory will end the city seven-year-old liberal establishment, hypostatized by current mayor David Miller, but the pundits want you to know this election isn't just about Toronto. This anti-elitism is not just Canadian phenomenon...The past Liberal politicians harnesses voters worst instincts that "politicians are corrupt. They waste your money. They don't listen". ...

Source: National post, Toronto Star. Mark's news
作者: moonnew    时间: 2010-10-5 09:25
我更关心谁能让老百姓生活得更好。像史振民这样拿老百姓的钱不当钱的主儿我可不敢选。坚决支持Ford.可惜我不住多伦多:)。
作者: 从来没有救世主    时间: 2010-10-5 10:04
福特我不想选, 但更不想选一个GAY来当市长, 难以抉择啊..........
中国大陆中文 发表于 2010-10-5 09:39 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


选2个GAY来当市长: 史振民(George Smitherman) + 羅西(Rocco Rossi)
作者: 无忧了    时间: 2010-10-5 10:18
不管选谁上台,都是多伦多的加拿大公民的事情,请中国国籍的人不要干涉加国内政。
Bumblebee 发表于 2010-10-5 00:31 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

对头!
多伦多是加拿大人的多伦多, 吃里扒外的5毛们请闭嘴, 谢谢!
作者: 紫黄    时间: 2010-10-5 10:25
纳税人关心一下自己付出去的钱如何走向,很正常;
投资人关心城市规划、物价水平、犯罪率等,很正常。
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-5 10:31
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-7 17:22 编辑

NO MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES!
NO MORE UNION BULLIES!
VOTE FOR FORD!!
作者: 无忧了    时间: 2010-10-5 11:47
纳税人关心一下自己付出去的钱如何走向,很正常;
投资人关心城市规划、物价水平、犯罪率等,很正常。
紫黄 发表于 2010-10-5 11:25 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

在中国干同样的活儿, 只能挣加拿大人1/10工钱, 世界经济一体化, 劳动力价格是趋同的, 钱哪儿去了? 你不去关心,倒关心起我们文明富裕的加拿大来了。歇了吧!谢谢
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-5 12:12
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-5 15:16 编辑

"今年市选,选民是什么心情?老百姓对市长苗大伟引入的土地转让和汽车登记两大新税本来就已不满;而市府从这当中搜刮来的金钱,又被大手大脚地花掉了,以至每当做预算时,便危言耸听、漏洞巨大,好像日子过不下去了,物业税将增加10%到20%。老百姓不胜其扰。市议员们则熟视无睹,习以为常。(newstarnet.com)

但真正触痛市民的,其实并不是什么大事,就象尊贵的左翼思想者将福特的不花纳税人金钱作为办公经费的事情视为小事一桩,触痛市民也是那些小事:一,市议员们冻结了市府非工会成员官员的工资,但却给自己加薪2.42%。人们说伪君子,太虚伪了;二,某市议员吃官司花了律师费,其他同道为他策划由纳税人报销。此时幸亏媒体揭发,否则就付诸实行了。(newstarnet.com)

因此,当福特提出多伦多市议会的“揩油列车”必须停驶,立刻打动了广大劳动人民的心。能登上揩油列车的必是关系户、有头脸的家伙们,劳动人民如果一旦登上那滚滚向前的揩油列车,也立时自动丧失劳动人民的地位了。这样的竞选口号,虽然没有远大的目标、高尚的理想、深沉的理念,却仍能帮助福特贴近百姓,获得共鸣。(newstarnet.com)"

Advanced voting poll is starting today.
Follow the common sense vote for Ford!
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-5 12:40
对头!
多伦多是加拿大人的多伦多, 吃里扒外的5毛们请闭嘴, 谢谢!
无忧了 发表于 2010-10-5 11:18 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    Ding! they don't even have voting rights here. they are making lots noises and wasting our time.
作者: weichen2005    时间: 2010-10-5 13:12
市选投票:去跟老唐说YES吧,爱国爱党的候选人没有比他更合适的了.:laugh:
作者: 紫色罂粟    时间: 2010-10-5 15:31
本帖最后由 JiuMaNi 于 2010-10-5 17:57 编辑
在中国干同样的活儿, 只能挣加拿大人1/10工钱, 世界经济一体化, 劳动力价格是趋同的, 钱哪儿去了? 你不去关心,倒关心起我们文明富裕的加拿大来了。歇了吧!谢谢
无忧了 发表于 2010-10-5 12:47 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


怎么翻脸就疯咬?几小时前还让紫黄帮你找份长工做呢 :thumbd:
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-5 19:33
很多人包括苗大伟都认为福特的那段话“完全无法接受”,福特虽赖着拒绝道歉,但也承认用错了字眼。莫非苗大伟和福特等人还不如你更了解那段话中的“狗”的含义?或者你觉得福特那句话中的“狗”是在夸奖你、你因此觉得很受用?

是谁弱智啊?


好像西方人说“像狗一样工作”,和中国人说“像老黄牛一样工作”是一个意思吧?就好像中国人说:我不是夜猫子。西方人则会说:I'm not a night dog。
拿这个来做文章,是不是有点弱智啊?
实在人 发表于 2010-10-5 03:28 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 野驰    时间: 2010-10-5 19:38
前兩天,偶然和一位客戶聊到了即將到來的市長競選的話題。我告訴他,很早就加入了福特的 誌願者團隊,而且盡可能地抽時間參加福特舉辦的競選造勢活動。這位客戶很驚訝,說沒想到你們地產經紀也對政治也這麽感興趣。我說,只要是多倫多市民,就應 該去參加投票,充分行使選舉權,選出一個真正適合做市長的人。緊接著,我又趁熱打鐵地給他分析道,左派苗大偉當市長這幾年,經濟搞得好不好見仁見智,不過 多开征了一些新稅種卻是鐵的事實,譬如對我們買房有直接影響的多倫多市土地轉讓稅。由於這個客戶來多倫多的時間不長,我簡單地給他解釋一下。

2007年10月22日,多倫多市議會通過了征收土地轉讓稅和汽車登記稅 的決議。按照新的土地轉讓稅征稅方案,購買房產者除必須按房屋成交價繳納安省統一征收的土地轉讓稅之外,還要另外向多倫多市政府繳納一筆土地轉讓 稅。該稅的主要內容是首次置業的市民在買新屋或二手房時,如果價格在40萬元以下,可免交土地轉讓稅。如果房價超過40萬,超額部分按2%交稅。

多倫多的家庭平均每5-6年會換一次房,雖說該新土地轉讓稅對首次購房者沒有直接影響, 但當您準備換房或準備投資房地產時怕是躲 避不了這個稅了。另外如果您首次置業買房的價格在40萬元以上, 您還是跑不了。

客戶又問,為什麽你選福特而不是別人呢?我給他說了一下我了解他的過程。

記住福特是一個非常偶然的機會。幾 年前,在瀏覽一個多倫多市議員的網站的時候,發現他連續好幾年的辦公室支出為零多伦多市议员每年有53,100元的此类经费)。雖然這個能夠吸引眼球,但我沒有馬上確認他是一個好的議員。因為古今中外,有太多的嘩眾取寵、沽名 釣譽之徒。中國古代還有個皇帝,多少年都穿著打補丁的皇袍,國家卻治理的一塌糊塗。福特會不會是那樣的人呢?於是,我又上他的個人網站以及古狗了一下他所 在選區的選民對他的看法,還真不錯,他在做議員的這些年,為他所在选区的選民做了不少實事。不僅如此,他在市議會對以苗大偉為首的左派的抨擊往往是一針見 血,毫不留情。實幹,直言,是他留給我的總體印象。


再看看他這次主要的競選對手史振民,這位史先生在他擔任安省衛生廳長期 間,浪費了全省納稅人10億元搞E-HEALTH 項目,最後卻充滿醜聞,以失敗告終,其执政能力实在令人怀疑。若干星期前,他提出了一個簡單的許諾,幾個小時後又否認,簡直是 把選舉當兒戲,愚弄選民。指望這種人能做好市長,簡直比駱駝穿針眼還難。

反觀福特,他提出削減市政廳的支出,裁減一半的市議員,免除土地轉讓稅和 汽車登記稅等苛捐雜稅,這些都是減少浪費,尊重纳税人,保護納稅人錢包的實 實在在的綱領。想想兩年前金融海嘯時期,諸多草根百姓失業或者面臨失業,惶惶不可終日,而這幫以苗大伟为首的腦滿腸肥的市长、市議員們還提議給自己漲工資,真是加拿大的恥辱, 多倫多的恥辱。

这哥们聽完我的介紹,若有所思的點點頭,說我一定去投票的,而且會考慮投福 特一票。我說,作為福特競選團隊的誌願者,代表福特先生謝謝你。希望你去行使自己神聖的權利,為自己,也為多倫多市,因為現在是改變的時候了(It's Time for Change)。


希望你去行使自己神聖的權利,為自己,也為多倫多市,

这也是义务与责任
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-5 19:52
没人邀请你来花时间,是你自找的吧。

Ding! they don't even have voting rights here. they are making lots noises and wasting our time.
XPD 发表于 2010-10-5 13:40 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: Elander    时间: 2010-10-6 02:11
好像西方人说“像狗一样工作”,和中国人说“像老黄牛一样工作”是一个意思吧?就好像中国人说:我不是夜猫子。西方人则会说:I'm not a night dog。
拿这个来做文章,是不是有点弱智啊?
实在人 发表于 2010-10-5 03:28 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


不用给楼主 解释了。楼主自是醉毛之意不在狗!
作者: 283y    时间: 2010-10-6 03:50
zhengqi1 发表于 2008-12-31 16:43
谁再跟我臭吹什么加拿大民主政治体制,您躲远点儿,小心我啐你一脸:呸!呸!!呸!!!

you don't believe in 加拿大民主政治体制, yet you are here telling us to NOT vote for ford?
作者: 我的关注    时间: 2010-10-6 13:49
zhengqi1 发表于 2008-12-31 16:43
谁再跟我臭吹什么加拿大民主政治体制,您躲远点儿,小心我啐你一脸:呸!呸!!呸!!!

you don't believe in 加拿大民主政治体制, yet you are here telling us to NOT vote for ford?
283y 发表于 2010-10-6 04:50 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



呵呵,帮着顶一顶。

既然楼主对加拿大的民主体制这么不屑一顾,那就解释一下为什么“对福特说不呢“?
作者: weinberger    时间: 2010-10-6 14:46
他确实不屑一顾,可是他想影响你们啊.这是他的工作啊  

呵呵,帮着顶一顶。

既然楼主对加拿大的民主体制这么不屑一顾,那就解释一下为什么“对福特说不呢“?
皆为利来 发表于 2010-10-6 14:49 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: 骑兵连连长    时间: 2010-10-6 17:54
标题: 福特关心华人?
那些给福特送钱“后援会”的中医造反派使劲说捧福特,好像福特能给他们关心中医的事情。但是福特说多元化不是他的重点。今日,在至今唯一的一场专门针对华人的市长候选人辩论会上,唯独福特缺席不参加。
作者: 罗西    时间: 2010-10-6 17:56
那些给福特送钱“后援会”的中医造反派使劲说捧福特,好像福特能给他们关心中医的事情。但是福特说多元化不是他的重点。今日,在至今唯一的一场专门针对华人的市长候选人辩论会上,唯独福特缺席不参加。
骑兵连连长 发表于 2010-10-6 18:54 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

选举的棋盘上,华人被当成了卒子。
作者: 天朝一棍    时间: 2010-10-6 18:08
俺只知道有些自称是爱国同胞的人眼看着一个搅屎棍浪费掉十亿纳税人的血汗钱却无动于衷,可知羊毛出在羊身上啊。自己被人家捅了后门还要去挺这个捅你们后门的家伙,脑子岂非有病?这种人比猪还蠢,比狗还不如!赠送这种人一副对联:
屎振后门图爆菊,脉渐低迷靠垃圾
横批:姊游裆内湿纱碧
作者: 骑兵连连长    时间: 2010-10-6 18:48
回复 45# 仐囸驲

中医造反派跟福特一个德性。喜欢拿性器官争论,“战斗力”强!

http://www.youtube.com/v/z8EpSdyB0zY?fs=1&hl=en_US
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-6 19:31
Ford is a racist for sure, and he verbally attacked chinese several times, so I strong believed We chinese Canadian should zero tolerance to racist no matter who he or she is, that's why my wife, I and many of my friends will go to vote against stupid FORD.

NO FORD!!

Besides I regarded FORD as my enemy politically for the rest of my life even though I respect his right to try to be a mayer as a human being.

Again FORD is not our chinese canadian is option for sure.
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-6 20:27
FORD is racist and verbally attached we chinese several times, that's why my wife and I decided to go to vote against FORD definatelly, besides I tried to change one of colleage from
favor FORD to against FORD today( I am proud of myself and I will try to do the same thing the people I know) .

Again FORD is and will be my enemy politically for the rest of my life even through I respect his  right to vote for mayor as a human being, furthermore I think we chinese canadian should and must zero tolorence to racist especally he is against us.

NO FORD!!!
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-6 20:32
FORD is racist and verbally attached we chinese several times, that's why my wife and I decided to go to vote against FORD definatelly, besides I tried to change one of colleage from
favor FORD to against FORD today (I am proud of myself in this case and I will try to do the same thing to the people I know as many as I can).

Again FORD is and will be my enemy politically for the rest of my life even through I respect his right to vote for mayor as a human being, furthermore I think we chinese canadian should and must zero tolorence to racist especally he is attack and against us.

DON'T be stupid any more, SAY NO to FORD!!!
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-6 20:35
FORD is racist and verbally attached we chinese several times, that's why my wife and I decided to go to vote against FORD definatelly, besides I tried to change one of colleage from
favor FORD to against FORD today (I am proud of myself in this case and I will try to do the same thing to the people I know as many as I can).

Again FORD is and will be my enemy politically for the rest of my life even through I respect his right to vote for mayor as a human being, furthermore I think we chinese canadian should and must zero tolorence to racist especally he is attack and against us.

DON'T be stupid any more, SAY NO to FORD!!!
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 20:37
回复
骑兵连连长 发表于 2010-10-6 19:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

非常感谢连长的视频!
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 20:40
Ford is a racist for sure, and he verbally attacked chinese several times, so I strong believed We chinese Canadian should zero tolerance to racist no matter who he or she is, that's why my wife, I and many of my friends will go to vote against stupid FORD.

NO FORD!!

Besides I regarded FORD as my enemy politically for the rest of my life even though I respect his right to try to be a mayer as a human being.

Again FORD is not our chinese canadian is option for sure.
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-6 20:31 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


这就足够了,一票否决。
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 20:42
zhengqi1 发表于 2008-12-31 16:43
谁再跟我臭吹什么加拿大民主政治体制,您躲远点儿,小心我啐你一脸:呸!呸!!呸!!!

you don't believe in 加拿大民主政治体制, yet you are here telling us to NOT vote for ford?
283y 发表于 2010-10-6 04:50 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

能否给个链接,当时是在讨论什么?
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 20:46
帖子看到这儿,对某些“好像西方人说“像狗一样工作”,和中国人说“像老黄牛一样工作”是一个意思吧?”的说法,依然深觉不解:为什么我们的一些人对福特对少数族裔明显非常不友好的言论,能不惜用中国的“像老黄牛一样工作”,来诠释福特的语言暴力。这是不是有点太过“善解人意”了?这种“善解人意”正常吗?

用选票对福特说不,最根本的原因,是作为华人需要维护自己最起码的尊严不受任何语言暴力的伤害。

移民是加拿大的国策,因为有移民,面临人口老化的加国发展才可能得以持续。移民作为少数族裔其实是在用自己的劳动养活加拿大,而不是要央求政府的帮助或像有人所说的什么“特殊照顾”。那么反过来,既然加国需要移民来帮助这个国家,就要给少数族裔以起码的尊重而不是随心所欲去侮辱他们!华人像其他少数族裔一样,对加拿大政府没有任何“特殊照顾”的乞求,靠自己的血汗自立自强,但我们需要起码的尊重和尊严。我们反对任何形式的种族歧视言论,因此,在对待福特这样一个曾经对移民以及少数族裔有过明显攻击的政客,作为少数族裔的华人有权利、有义务对他否决。

我们华人移民来到北美这块土地,准备了太多的勤劳、尊重、虚心、低调、隐忍,但我们决不能丢失维护自己尊严和得到应有尊重的底线。在北美这块土地上,早年的殖民主义者从来就没有尊重过原住民,他们对原住民从来都是用刀枪说话。华人新移民到此,我们不会傲慢地对待这里的任何人,但我们应该知道如何来维护我们的尊严。面对福特的歧视性语言暴力,我们用自己的选票否决他、维护我们自己应有的尊严,难道有什么错吗?难道还要幻想他能对少数族裔以及华人能有什么好的作为吗?有些网友大概还没有意识到,我们一些人无原则的谄媚心态,以为西方什么都好,甚至自己被福特说成是“狗”,还要恬着脸说那是把我们当“老黄牛”夸奖呢,其实,是在作践自己,太不知自尊。
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-6 20:48
to clarify on #10 who state:"不管选谁上台,都是多伦多的加拿大公民的事情,请中国国籍的人不要干涉加国内政"

actually for municipal(city) election or even provision election, you don't have to be a canadian citizen for voting, in other words, legal permanent residence is also qualify for voting. only the federal election require canadian citizenship for voting.

Regards
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-6 20:54
Sincere thanks to zhengqi1 and super agree to what he said: " 我们华人移民来到北美这块土地,准备了太多的勤劳、尊重、虚心、低调、隐忍,但我们决不能丢失维护自己尊严和得到应有尊重的底线"

Again, as a chinese canadian, WE SHOULD STAND UP for our right and respect, DON'T BE STUPID ANY MORE..
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 21:00
Sincere thanks to zhengqi1 and super agree to what he said: " 我们华人移民来到北美这块土地,准备了太多的勤劳、尊重、虚心、低调、隐忍,但我们决不能丢失维护自己尊严和得到应有尊重的底线"

Again, as a chinese canadian, WE SHOULD STAND UP for our right and respect, DON'T BE STUPID ANY MORE..
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-6 21:54 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

即使福特有什么减税的政纲,那也只能看作是政客们为上台而准备的政纲。但是,维护自己的尊严,却是华人移民首先应该觉醒的。
作者: weichen2005    时间: 2010-10-6 21:02
有时这些爱党华侨脑子就是缺根弦。你不喜欢加拿大民主制度,偏跑过来游说选举。你喜欢给独裁者当马仔,却高呼要自尊。
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 21:14
喜欢不喜欢,不也得选?

哪里是独裁,谁是马仔? 是你自己脑子太过一根筋。放松点,别绷得太紧哈。

有时这些爱党华侨脑子就是缺根弦。你不喜欢加拿大民主制度,偏跑过来游说选举。你喜欢给独裁者当马仔,却高呼要自尊。
weichen2005 发表于 2010-10-6 22:02 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weichen2005    时间: 2010-10-6 21:24
喜欢不喜欢,不也得选?

哪里是独裁,谁是马仔? 是你自己脑子太过一根筋。放松点,别绷得太紧哈。
zhengqi1 发表于 2010-10-6 22:14 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


我说什么来着,“爱党华侨脑子就是缺根弦“。你马上来献身说法。
有资格选,喜欢选就选,不喜欢选就不选,哪来的“不也得选“。
没资格选,更没你什么事。:laugh:
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-6 21:25
没人邀请你来花时间,是你自找的吧。
zhengqi1 发表于 2010-10-5 20:52 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    Know you, you get paid by Smitherman for his campaign. Those blood sucking leeches wasting our tax payers money on your whole bench of losers.
作者: 为什么呢    时间: 2010-10-6 21:40
I have my reght, I vote who I like, not the one somebady let me and foece me to vote, even they call me a stupit. I still VOTE FORD.
作者: 为什么呢    时间: 2010-10-6 21:42
回复 50# 西北羊

I have my reght, I vote who I like, not the one somebady let me and foece me to vote, even they call me a stupit! I still VOTE FORD!!!
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 21:55
本帖最后由 zhengqi1 于 2010-10-7 21:35 编辑

Now you volunteer to waste your time again.

Don't you think your comments seem like a logical idiot---how could "you get to paid" at same time "...wasting our tax payers(') money on your..."?

It seems to me all those politicians are somehow blood sucking leeches here, how can you prove Rob Ford isn't one?

Know you, you get paid by Smitherman for his campaign. Those blood sucking leeches wasting our tax payers money on your whole bench of losers.
XPD 发表于 2010-10-6 22:25 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: ZGP民    时间: 2010-10-6 22:03
回复  西北羊

I have my reght, I vote who I like, not the one somebady let me and foece me to vote, even they call me a stupit! I still VOTE FORD!!!
为什么呢 发表于 2010-10-6 22:42 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    和你一样。
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 22:09
你偷换概念的伎俩还挺高。

“喜不喜欢”承接的是你所说“加拿大的民主制度”。

你还是一根筋,你何以知道没我什么事?

我说什么来着,“爱党华侨脑子就是缺根弦“。你马上来献身说法。
有资格选,喜欢选就选,不喜欢选就不选,哪来的“不也得选“。
没资格选,更没你什么事。
weichen2005 发表于 2010-10-6 22:24 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: rocky28    时间: 2010-10-6 22:23
哦,原来是他!多谢提醒,差点就选错人.本来都怀疑他的承诺.大嘴巴什么都能爆出来,包括信口开河.
作者: weichen2005    时间: 2010-10-6 22:24
本帖最后由 weichen2005 于 2010-10-6 23:25 编辑
你偷换概念的伎俩还挺高。

“喜不喜欢”承接的是你所说“加拿大的民主制度”。

你还是一根筋,你何以知道没我什么事?
zhengqi1 发表于 2010-10-6 23:09 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


“喜欢不喜欢(加拿大的民主制度),不也得选?“


您非要炫耀一下您可怜的思维能力么?
就算“喜不喜欢”承接的是“加拿大的民主制度”。
喜欢你可以选,不喜欢可以不选。这里没有所谓的“不也得选“。谁拿着鞭子逼你选,你老板吗?
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-6 22:39
你大概挨鞭子挨贯了,看哪儿哪儿都是鞭子,一根筋的思维方式就是摆脱不出来。

您非要炫耀一下您可怜的思维能力么?
就算“喜不喜欢”承接的是“加拿大的民主制度”。
喜欢你可以选,不喜欢可以不选。这里没有所谓的“不也得选“。谁拿着鞭子逼你选,你老板吗?
weichen2005 发表于 2010-10-6 23:24 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: weichen2005    时间: 2010-10-6 22:53
本帖最后由 weichen2005 于 2010-10-6 23:54 编辑
你大概挨鞭子挨贯了,看哪儿哪儿都是鞭子,一根筋的思维方式就是摆脱不出来。
zhengqi1 发表于 2010-10-6 23:39 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



你大概挨鞭子挨惯了,到哪儿哪儿都是被逼无奈选择,体会不了自由的可贵阿。一根筋的思维方式就是摆脱不出来。
作者: 骑兵连连长    时间: 2010-10-7 01:23
帖子看到这儿,对某些“好像西方人说“像狗一样工作”,和中国人说“像老黄牛一样工作”是一个意思吧?”的说法,依然深觉不解:为什么我们的一些人对福特对少数族裔明显非常不友好的言论,能不惜用中国的“像老黄牛一样工作”,来诠释福特的语言暴力。这是不是有点太过“善解人意”了?这种“善解人意”正常吗?

用选票对福特说不,最根本的原因,是作为华人需要维护自己最起码的尊严不受任何语言暴力的伤害。

移民是加拿大的国策,因为有移民,面临人口老化的加国发展才可能得以持续。移民作为少数族裔其实是在用自己的劳动养活加拿大,而不是要央求政府的帮助或像有人所说的什么“特殊照顾”。那么反过来,既然加国需要移民来帮助这个国家,就要给少数族裔以起码的尊重而不是随心所欲去侮辱他们!华人像其他少数族裔一样,对加拿大政府没有任何“特殊照顾”的乞求,靠自己的血汗自立自强,但我们需要起码的尊重和尊严。我们反对任何形式的种族歧视言论,因此,在对待福特这样一个曾经对移民以及少数族裔有过明显攻击的政客,作为少数族裔的华人有权利、有义务对他否决。

我们华人移民来到北美这块土地,准备了太多的勤劳、尊重、虚心、低调、隐忍,但我们决不能丢失维护自己尊严和得到应有尊重的底线。在北美这块土地上,早年的殖民主义者从来就没有尊重过原住民,他们对原住民从来都是用刀枪说话。华人新移民到此,我们不会傲慢地对待这里的任何人,但我们应该知道如何来维护我们的尊严。面对福特的歧视性语言暴力,我们用自己的选票否决他、维护我们自己应有的尊严,难道有什么错吗?难道还要幻想他能对少数族裔以及华人能有什么好的作为吗?有些网友大概还没有意识到,我们一些人无原则的谄媚心态,以为西方什么都好,甚至自己被福特说成是“狗”,还要恬着脸说那是把我们当“老黄牛”夸奖呢,其实,是在作践自己,太不知自尊。
zhengqi1 发表于 2010-10-6 21:46 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


说得好!
作者: Bumblebee    时间: 2010-10-7 06:55
本帖最后由 Bumblebee 于 2010-10-7 07:59 编辑
to clarify on #10 who state:"不管选谁上台,都是多伦多的加拿大公民的事情,请中国国籍的人不要干涉加国内政"

actually for municipal(city) election or even provision election, you don't have to be a canadian citizen for voting, in other words, legal permanent residence is also qualify for voting. only the federal election require canadian citizenship for voting.

Regards
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-6 21:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


Who, what, where, how, why's of VotingWho can vote?

You can vote in the City of Toronto municipal election if you are:
http://www.toronto.ca/elections/voters/faq.htm
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 06:56
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-7 17:01 编辑
Now you volunteer to waste your time again.

Don't you think your comments seem like a logical idiot---how could "you get to paid" at same time "...wasting our tax payers(') money on your..."?

It seems to me all those politicans are somehow blood sucking leeches here, how can you prove Rob Ford isn't one?
zhengqi1 发表于 2010-10-6 22:55 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


It seems to me that you can't read and don't understand English well. Loser!

"今年市选,选民是什么心情?老百姓对市长苗大伟引入的土地转让和汽车登记两大新税本来就已不满;而市府从这当中搜刮来的金钱,又被大手大脚地花掉了,以至每当做预算时,便危言耸听、漏洞巨大,好像日子过不下去了,物业税将增加10%到20%。老百姓不胜其扰。市议员们则熟视无睹,习以为常。(newstarnet.com)

但真正触痛市民的,其实并不是什么大事,就象尊贵的左翼思想者将福特的不花纳税人金钱作为办公经费的事情视为小事一桩,触痛市民也是那些小事:一,市议员们冻结了市府非工会成员官员的工资,但却给自己加薪2.42%。人们说伪君子,太虚伪了;二,某市议员吃官司花了律师费,其他同道为他策划由纳税人报销。此时幸亏媒体揭发,否则就付诸实行了。(newstarnet.com)

因此,当福特提出多伦多市议会的“揩油列车”必须停驶,立刻打动了广大劳动人民的心。能登上揩油列车的必是关系户、有头脸的家伙们,劳动人民如果一旦登上那滚滚向前的揩油列车,也立时自动丧失劳动人民的地位了。这样的竞选口号,虽然没有远大的目标、高尚的理想、深沉的理念,却仍能帮助福特贴近百姓,获得共鸣。(newstarnet.com)"

NO MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES!
NO MORE UNION BULLIES!
VOTE FOR FORD!!
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 07:01
回复  西北羊

I have my reght, I vote who I like, not the one somebady let me and foece me to vote, even they call me a stupit! I still VOTE FORD!!!
为什么呢 发表于 2010-10-6 22:42 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


Same here!!
作者: 我的关注    时间: 2010-10-7 10:14
It seems to me that you can't read and don't understand English well. Loser!

"今年市选,选民是什么心情?老百姓对市长苗大伟引入的土地转让和汽车登记两大新税本来就已不满;而市府从这当中搜刮来的金钱,又被大手大脚地花掉了,以至每当做预算时,便危言耸听、漏洞巨大,好像日子过不下去了,物业税将增加10%到20%。老百姓不胜其扰。市议员们则熟视无睹,习以为常。(newstarnet.com)

但真正触痛市民的,其实并不是什么大事,就象尊贵的左翼思想者将福特的不花纳税人金钱作为办公经费的事情视为小事一桩,触痛市民也是那些小事:一,市议员们冻结了市府非工会成员官员的工资,但却给自己加薪2.42%。人们说伪君子,太虚伪了;二,某市议员吃官司花了律师费,其他同道为他策划由纳税人报销。此时幸亏媒体揭发,否则就付诸实行了。(newstarnet.com)

因此,当福特提出多伦多市议会的“揩油列车”必须停驶,立刻打动了广大劳动人民的心。能登上揩油列车的必是关系户、有头脸的家伙们,劳动人民如果一旦登上那滚滚向前的揩油列车,也立时自动丧失劳动人民的地位了。这样的竞选口号,虽然没有远大的目标、高尚的理想、深沉的理念,却仍能帮助福特贴近百姓,获得共鸣。(newstarnet.com)"

NO MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES!

VOTE FOR FORD!!
XPD 发表于 2010-10-7 07:56 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


很有道理。
反过来我们倒是应该看看,那些对加拿大的民主制度充满仇恨和鄙视的人,为什么在这次选举中要如此反对Ford? 看看Ford到底踩到了他们或者他们“老板“的哪根筋?
作者: 爱国侨胞    时间: 2010-10-7 12:06
回复 11# 实在人

老实人说老实话!楼主应该知道西方人认为狗是人类最忠实的朋友。老朽认为福特的言论绝无贬义,而是文化差异。
作者: cana51    时间: 2010-10-7 12:16
I like Ford. He promises to get rid off the Land Transfer Tax, which will reduce costs for Home buyers. Go, Ford Go!
作者: sillymouse    时间: 2010-10-7 12:57
Beside personal attack what else can you do?
XPD 发表于 2010-10-7 12:10 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

你是不是搞错了?我在对他赞扬怎么成了人身攻击?我说他是条十足的狗,和福特的论调有和不同?ZGP能够认同福特的话,也会对我的话表示满意和高兴的。不信你自己问问它。
作者: sillymouse    时间: 2010-10-7 12:59
“从来就没救世主” 有个帖子,大家可以看看。对福特说不,是对我们华人的生存环境有利。

选择居留国要慎重
http://bbs.51.ca/thread-258121-1-3.html
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-7 13:14
to whom who comment on my comment:

sure you have right for voting whoever you like, no one can force you including me, so even you go to vote for stupid FORD I am still ok because it is your human right as same as I am going to to vote whoever I like, so please go ahead.

By the way, there is one thing here I really don't like is, somebody seems like to verbally attck others by dirty words. I think it is natural if we disagree with each other, BUT we should debate or argue knowledgable and with good manner. this is also the way to respect youself as human being.

so please, please DON'T attack each other, let's debate or argue knowledgable and with good manner!!!


JF
作者: 天朝一棍    时间: 2010-10-7 14:24
本帖最后由 朝天一棍 于 2010-10-7 15:27 编辑

如果让一个喜爱在黑洞里面夯粪的垃圾当上市长是全体没有不正常癖好的多伦多市民的耻辱。号召全体正常人站出来拒选夯粪工!
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 14:29
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-7 16:25 编辑
你是不是搞错了?我在对他赞扬怎么成了人身攻击?我说他是条十足的狗,和福特的论调有和不同?ZGP能够认同福特的话,也会对我的话表示满意和高兴的。不信你自己问问它。
sillymouse 发表于 2010-10-7 13:57 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    Sorry about that, it turns out that we are in the same camp, Ford's camp. Misfire.
作者: suckitupbuttcup    时间: 2010-10-7 14:54
你既然贵了,就该改一改咬人的本性。
wuliaomm 发表于 2010-10-7 01:40 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

你既然贵了,就该改一改咬人的本性。
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 15:05
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-7 16:30 编辑
to whom who comment on my comment:

sure you have right for voting whoever you like, no one can force you including me, so even you go to vote for stupid FORD I am still ok because it is your human right as same as I am going to to vote whoever I like, so please go ahead.

By the way, there is one thing here I really don't like is, somebody seems like to verbally attck others by dirty words. I think it is natural if we disagree with each other, BUT we should debate or argue knowledgable and with good manner. this is also the way to respect youself as human being.

so please, please DON'T attack each other, let's debate or argue knowledgable and with good manner!!!


JF
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-7 14:14 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    You are not a Canadian citizen, you have no right to vote! Just shut up and get out of here!!!
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 15:14
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-7 17:02 编辑
Ford is a racist for sure, and he verbally attacked chinese several times, so I strong believed We chinese Canadian should zero tolerance to racist no matter who he or she is, that's why my wife, I and many of my friends will go to vote against stupid FORD.

NO FORD!!

Besides I regarded FORD as my enemy politically for the rest of my life even though I respect his right to try to be a mayer as a human being.

Again FORD is not our chinese canadian is option for sure.
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-6 20:31 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    You are not a Canadian citizen. You have no right to vote! Just shut up get out of here!!!

Np MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEED!
NO MORE UNION BULLIES!
Vote for Ford!!
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 15:23
本帖最后由 XPD 于 2010-10-7 17:32 编辑
to clarify on #10 who state:"不管选谁上台,都是多伦多的加拿大公民的事情,请中国国籍的人不要干涉加国内政"

actually for municipal(city) election or even provision election, you don't have to be a canadian citizen for voting, in other words, legal permanent residence is also qualify for voting. only the federal election require canadian citizenship for voting.

Regards
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-6 21:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


You don't know shit about anything, pretending to be the Mr. know it all.  sham on you!!!
作者: wuliaomm    时间: 2010-10-7 15:54
你既然贵了,就该改一改咬人的本性。
suckitupbuttcup 发表于 2010-10-7 15:54 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

你让我体会到,当老师的感觉真好!
作者: suckitupbuttcup    时间: 2010-10-7 19:23
你让我体会到,你的self感觉真好!
作者: 从来没有救世主    时间: 2010-10-7 20:02
“从来就没救世主” 有个帖子,大家可以看看。对福特说不,是对我们华人的生存环境有利。

选择居留国要慎重
sillymouse 发表于 2010-10-7 13:59 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


有没有来自于大计元的友情提示?
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-7 20:03
to whom who naively believed stupid racist FORD once elected will finally deliver what he promised as
"NO MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES!

...

"
  Hi there,

I don't want say you are brainless even I strongly believed you are, let me ask you several simple questions:
(Q1), do you know on average how much percantage a polititian delivered what he or she promised once he or she got elected?  

the answer is: LESS THAN 50% ON AVERAGE including big guys like Bill Clintion, Obama, etc...

(Q2), do you think your stupid racist candidate FORD who called you dog and treat you as 2nd class will finally deliver what he promised to you ???????

You never heard a western saying like 'politician is a professional liar'? needless to say your stupid racist FORD

(Q3), do you believe if I promised you here that I will finally pay you $100 billion if you abandoned stupid racist FORD in this election?


Come on, I don't think you are only 10 years old, DON'T be brainless any more, I am much sure you have a brain out there just like every body here, so please just let it start to work for you!!!

  
Sincerely
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-7 20:07
just reiterate my Slogan here:

Say NO to stupid racist, let's work together to stop FORD!!

cheers
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-7 20:08
just reiterate my 2nd Slogan here:

Say NO to stupid family abuser, let's work together to stop FORD!!

cheers
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-7 20:29
本帖最后由 zhengqi1 于 2010-10-7 21:32 编辑
哦,原来是他!多谢提醒,差点就选错人.本来都怀疑他的承诺.大嘴巴什么都能爆出来,包括信口开河.
rocky28 发表于 2010-10-6 23:23 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


请看一下福特近十年来的“骄人”言行,想象一下如果多伦多有这样的市长,会是什么样。

转帖如下:

In Quotes
Rob Ford and a decade of controversy
Compiled by Jill Mahoney
Globe and Mail Update
Published Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010 1:02PM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010 5:31PM EDT
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Since he was first elected 10 years ago, Toronto city councillor and mayoral frontrunner Rob Ford has grabbed his fair share of headlines for controversial comments.

Here’s a selection of Mr. Ford’s more colourful remarks and revelations:

Aug. 19, 2010: Mr. Ford says he was charged with failing to provide a breathalyzer sample and marijuana possession while visiting Florida with his then-fiancée in 1999. However, the police arrest affidavit says he was charged with driving under the influence, not failing to provide a breathalyzer sample. Mr. Ford said he pleaded no contest to the breathalyzer charge, paid a fine and did 50 hours of community service. Mr. Ford’s admission comes on the same day The Toronto Sun ran a story about the drug charge, which was later dropped.

Aug. 17, 2010: During a televised mayoral debate, Mr. Ford says that in a “perfect world” Toronto would keep its population at current levels. “We can’t even deal with the 2.5 million people in this city. I think it’s more important that we take care of the people now before we start bringing in more.”


Rob Ford and volunteer Tom Beyer speak with Brian Hill while door-to-door canvassing in Scarborough on July 24, 2010.


Aug. 12, 2010: Mr. Ford tells The Toronto Sun that in-camera council meetings have “more corruption and skullduggery going on in there than I’ve ever seen in my life.” He also says council’s decision to award an untendered 20-year contract to a pub operator “stinks to high heaven.” Mayor David Miller slams the comments, saying they are irresponsible and unsupported.

Aug. 4, 2010: Mr. Ford endorses the views of a fundamentalist Christian pastor who said same-sex marriage could “dismantle” a “healthy democratic civilization.” Appearing alongside Pastor Wendell Brereton, Mr. Ford says: “We’re together. We have the same thoughts.” He adds: “I support traditional marriage. I always have. But if people want to, to each your own. I’m not worried about what people do in their private life. I look out for taxpayers’ money.”

July 14, 2010: A report in The Toronto Star says the Toronto District School Board asked Mr. Ford to stop coaching high school football after possibly roughing up a student player in 2001. Mr. Ford’s campaign vehemently denies the report, saying he quit voluntarily. Mr. Ford files a notice of intent to sue The Star. Jonathan Gordon, the former student, later tells The Globe and Mail that Mr. Ford never laid a hand on him.


What does OxyContin go for on the street, so I have an idea?

Dieter Doneit-Henderson is seen at his home in Etobicoke. Mr. Doneit-Hederson taped a phone conversation he had with Rob Ford in which Mr. Ford offered to help him him score OxyContin off the street.


June 17, 2010: The Toronto Sun reports that Mr. Ford offers to help an ill man “score” the powerful painkiller OxyContin in a taped phone conversation. “I’ll try buddy, I’ll try,” Mr. Ford tells Dieter Doneit-Henderson. “I don’t know this shit, but I’ll fucking try to find it.” A few moments later Mr. Ford asks: “What does OxyContin go for on the street, so I have an idea?” Mr. Ford later accuses Mr. Doneit-Henderson of setting him up, saying he only suggested buying illegal narcotics to get a scary stalker off the phone.

June 14, 2010: A poll by The Globe and Mail/CTV/CP24/Nanos puts Mr. Ford in the lead, with 17.8 per cent of support compared to rival George Smitherman’s 15.9 per cent.

March 26, 2008: After Mr. Ford’s wife, Renata, calls police to their home, Mr. Ford is arrested and charged with assaulting her and uttering a death threat. A month later, prosecutors drop the charges because inconsistencies in Ms. Ford’s accounts make a conviction unlikely. “It’s the happiest time in my life when my family’s all together. … That's all I wanted from the very beginning and that’s what I have now,” Mr. Ford tells reporters.


Those Oriental people work like dogs. … They’re slowly taking over.

Kristyn Wong-Tam and supporters lie on the floor outside Councillor Rob Ford's office to demand an apology for his comments about "Oriental people."


March 5, 2008: During a council debate over holiday shopping, Mr. Ford says: “Those Oriental people work like dogs. … They’re slowly taking over.” He later corrects his use of the word “Oriental” but defends Asians as hard-working people. “When I said working like a dog, I was brought up, my father told me every day to ‘Get out of bed and work like a dog, son.’ A dog means you’re a hard worker.”

March 7, 2007: During a council budget debate, Mr. Ford says: “What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later, you’re going to get bitten. And every year we have dozens of people that get hit by cars or trucks. Well, no wonder. Roads are built for buses, cars and trucks. Not for people on bikes. And my heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it’s their own fault at the end of the day.” (See video above.)


If you’re not doing needles and you’re not gay, you won't get AIDS, probably.
June 28, 2006: During a council debate on public-health grants for community-based AIDS-prevention programs, Mr. Ford says: “If you’re not doing needles and you’re not gay, you won't get AIDS, probably.”


Councilor Rob Ford walks past a "no bull" poster after announcing his bid to run for mayor of Toronto in March 25, 2010.


April 15, 2006: Security guards remove a drunken and belligerent Mr. Ford from a Maple Leafs game after he shouts insults at an out-of-town couple. The attacks began after the man asks Mr. Ford to be quiet. Mr. Ford responds: “Who the fuck do you think you are? Are you a fucking teacher?” Failing to get a response, he turns his attention to the man’s wife: “Do you want your little wife to go over to Iran and get raped and shot?” The couple realizes the angry man’s identity after Mr. Ford leaves behind a business card. When reporters confront Mr. Ford with the couple’s complaint, he denies being at the hockey game. A day later, he comes clean, saying he lied because he felt “embarrassed and humiliated.” He also says: “I had one too many beers and I sincerely apologize.” Mr. Ford later e-mails the couple an apology, writing: “My complete lack of manners were unprofessional, immature, and do not in any way reflect my usual behaviour in public.”

Dec. 7, 2005: Railing against new powers for the mayor, Mr. Ford says: “Giving the mayor more power for this council is like giving criminals free guns.” The comment draws a chorus of unsuccessful demands for him to withdraw the remark.


Toronto City Councillor Gloria Lindsay Luby in December, 2006.


July 23, 2005: During a council debate over a pothole, Mr. Ford calls fellow Councillor Gloria Lindsay Luby “a joke. She’s a waste of time. A waste of skin.”

July 19, 2005: During a council debate over speeding up construction of affordable housing units, Mr. Ford says: “People do not want government housing built in the city of Toronto. They want roads fixed, more police presence, but they don’t want more government housing that will depreciate the value of their property.”

June 14, 2005: Mr. Ford questions the utility of grant programs for transgendered and transsexual people during a council debate. “I don’t understand. No. 1, I don’t understand a transgender, I don’t understand, is it a guy dressed up like a girl or a girl dressed up like a guy? And we’re funding this for, I don’t know, what does it say here? We’re giving them $3,210?”




April 17, 2002: During a council debate on whether there should be homeless shelters across the city, rather than only downtown, Mr. Ford says: “This is an insult to my constituents to even think about having a homeless shelter in their ward. And you want me to have a public meeting to discuss this? Why don’t we have a public lynching?” (See video above.)


Toronto City Councillor George Mammoliti speaks to the media about a verbal exchange with Councillor Rob Ford, during which Mr. Ford is accused of calling Mr. Mammoliti a "Gino-boy." — J.P. Moczulski/The Globe and Mail


March 6, 2002: During a council budget debate, Mr. Ford calls fellow Councillor George Mammoliti a “Gino-boy.” Mr. Mammoliti says the remark is a racial slur: “I heard it in school. Hearing it at city hall shocks me.” Mr. Ford denies making the remark.

June 13, 2001: Mr. Ford questions a grant for a video about homosexuality in Toronto’s South Asian community, telling The National Post: “I have no problem giving money out to physically or mentally handicapped children or seniors, but spending $5,000 on this video is disgusting, it is absolutely disgusting to spend this amount of money on this, whatever it was called, video.”
作者: 西北羊    时间: 2010-10-7 20:29
This offer only to XPD,

from what you said above, I have a strong feeling that you only care about money money money... of course I understand money is so important for our daily life but I still believed something like respect is far beyond  the importance of money?

so you don't care to vote for a guy who called you a dog and treated you as a 2nd class just because he might help you to save several dollor once elected?

OK, since you love money SO MUCH, and you eye nothing but money, let's me try to hep you make some money:

Let us make a deal:

the deal is: I will pay you $1000 right away if you allow a dog have sex with your mom? agree? DEAL!!

all the people here will witness this deal

cheers
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-7 20:38
如果我投福特的票,那才是loser, 因为我因此会丢失我的尊严。


It seems to me that you can't read and don't understand English well. Loser!

"今年市选,选民是什么心情?老百姓对市长苗大伟引入的土地转让和汽车登记两大新税本来就已不满;而市府从这当中搜刮来的金钱,又被大手大脚地花掉了,以至每当做预算时,便危言耸听、漏洞巨大,好像日子过不下去了,物业税将增加10%到20%。老百姓不胜其扰。市议员们则熟视无睹,习以为常。(newstarnet.com)

但真正触痛市民的,其实并不是什么大事,就象尊贵的左翼思想者将福特的不花纳税人金钱作为办公经费的事情视为小事一桩,触痛市民也是那些小事:一,市议员们冻结了市府非工会成员官员的工资,但却给自己加薪2.42%。人们说伪君子,太虚伪了;二,某市议员吃官司花了律师费,其他同道为他策划由纳税人报销。此时幸亏媒体揭发,否则就付诸实行了。(newstarnet.com)

因此,当福特提出多伦多市议会的“揩油列车”必须停驶,立刻打动了广大劳动人民的心。能登上揩油列车的必是关系户、有头脸的家伙们,劳动人民如果一旦登上那滚滚向前的揩油列车,也立时自动丧失劳动人民的地位了。这样的竞选口号,虽然没有远大的目标、高尚的理想、深沉的理念,却仍能帮助福特贴近百姓,获得共鸣。(newstarnet.com)"

NO MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES!
NO MORE UNION BULLIES!
VOTE FOR FORD!!
XPD 发表于 2010-10-7 07:56 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-7 20:41
to whom who comment on my comment:

sure you have right for voting whoever you like, no one can force you including me, so even you go to vote for stupid FORD I am still ok because it is your human right as same as I am going to to vote whoever I like, so please go ahead.

By the way, there is one thing here I really don't like is, somebody seems like to verbally attck others by dirty words. I think it is natural if we disagree with each other, BUT we should debate or argue knowledgable and with good manner. this is also the way to respect youself as human being.

so please, please DON'T attack each other, let's debate or argue knowledgable and with good manner!!!


JF
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-7 14:14 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

这是个好建议,我希望大家别像福特那样满嘴脏话。
作者: zhengqi1    时间: 2010-10-7 20:48
“爱国侨胞”应该多花点时间, 好好研究一下西方人眼中的狗是怎样工作的,你至少得让我信服,西方文化中“狗”是辛勤工作的模范,别拿什么“狗是人类最忠实的朋友”之类低劣的托词来搪塞。


回复  实在人

老实人说老实话!楼主应该知道西方人认为狗是人类最忠实的朋友。老朽认为福特的言论绝无贬义,而是文化差异。
爱国侨胞 发表于 2010-10-7 13:06 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif

作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 21:21
to whom who naively believed stupid racist FORD once elected will finally deliver what he promised as
"NO MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES!

...

"
  Hi there,

I don't want say you are brainless even I strongly believed you are, let me ask you several simple questions:
(Q1), do you know on average how much percantage a polititian delivered what he or she promised once he or she got elected?  

the answer is: LESS THAN 50% ON AVERAGE including big guys like Bill Clintion, Obama, etc...

(Q2), do you think your stupid racist candidate FORD who called you dog and treat you as 2nd class will finally deliver what he promised to you ???????

You never heard a western saying like 'politician is a professional liar'? needless to say your stupid racist FORD

(Q3), do you believe if I promised you here that I will finally pay you $100 billion if you abandoned stupid racist FORD in this election?


Come on, I don't think you are only 10 years old, DON'T be brainless any more, I am much sure you have a brain out there just like every body here, so please just let it start to work for you!!!

  
Sincerely
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-7 21:03 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif



    You are shameless aren't you!! Pretending know something which you don't. You are not worth my time. Chump!
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 21:22
Np MORE LAND TRANSFER FEES!
NO MORE MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEED!
NO MORE UNION BULLIES!
VOTE FOR FORD!!
作者: XPD    时间: 2010-10-7 21:27
to clarify on #10 who state:"不管选谁上台,都是多伦多的加拿大公民的事情,请中国国籍的人不要干涉加国内政"

actually for municipal(city) election or even provision election, you don't have to be a canadian citizen for voting, in other words, legal permanent residence is also qualify for voting. only the federal election require canadian citizenship for voting.

Regards
西北羊 发表于 2010-10-6 21:48 http://bbs.51.ca/images/common/back.gif


You don't know shit about anything, pretending to be the Mr. know it all.  sham on you!!!




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