难以忘却的八九64（原创）

weinberger

今年6月4日打电话到国内，问起朋友们“64”周年感触，大部分人起先一头雾水，随后恍然大悟，接着轻描淡写一语带过。是的，他们此时此刻关心的是股市房市走势、亲朋好友小孩高考准备和麻将的最新趣闻。八九64，已经离他们很远很远了，虽然他们中间许多人当年也是群情激奋当中的一员
--- Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it

weinberger

When people in South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, and many many other countries went on the streets to demand democracy and freedom. Their governments all backed down, and gave their people what they wanted.
Only the Chinese government chose to pull out their guns and killed so many people. Not only that, they threaten to do it again if the people dare to try again. This is the real tragedy!

weinberger

I never said those government did not kill any people, although they killed far less than the Chinese gov did in 8964.  But they eventually backed down and gave democracy and freedom to their people, didn't they?  The Chinese people have no such luck because they have one of the world's most brutal, stubborn, anti-democratic government.

你口口声声"Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it"
现在又说"When people in South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, and many many other countries went on the streets to demand democracy and freedom. Their governments all backed down, and gave their people what they wanted."
你知道1980年韩国的光州事件多少平民被杀吗?你是无知还是健忘?
WTTO 发表于 2010-6-7 12:30

weinberger

One thing you either do not realize or do not want to admit, it's that as long as you live here, you are contributing to all Canadian government's activities around the world even if you never vote. Every tax dollar you pay, every profit you make for your employer, every stock you invest, every goods or service you purchase, indeed your every move contributes to Canada's efforts to make wars, to exploit workers and resources in the third world, to isolate North Korea, Iran, to contain China and promote democracy and human rights there.
So yes, you are a hypocrite, saying one thing, but doing the opposite.

民猪的泰国，刚镇压，屠杀完。“Their governments did not backed down, and DID NOT gave their people what they wanted.”
中国人民有自己的民主集中制。你那西方的民猪体制还是留给你们西方自己享用。就好比你喜欢戴绿帽子，中国人民喜欢戴红帽子。你硬要说戴红帽子是world's most brutal, stubborn, anti-democratic，那也没法。这绿帽子就是不适合中国的国情。我在加拿大什么帽子都不戴，因为我从不投票，从不把政客，党棍当妈。经常调戏民猪体制。
aaazzz 发表于 2010-6-7 15:12

weinberger

Ridiculous, every penny of these security expenses is spent in Canada. None of them goes to China. As for selling the resources, only a tiny fraction of Canada's resources are sold to China, for inflated prices. It does not cause any harm to Canada at this time. If it does cause a problem in the future, Canadian government can say stop at anytime, and China would regret using up all its own resources to export made-in-China stuff at such a bargain basement prices.

这世界本来就是千丝万缕的连在一起的。你说的这番话也完全适合你自己。“Every tax dollar you pay，。。。contributes to Canada's efforts”来支持中共政府，把加拿大的宝贵的原始资源卖给中共政府，支持中共政府参与一切国际活动。（别忘了，你的税钱还用来保护胡哥和整个中共代表团来加拿大的安全哟！20国，10亿加元，咱胡哥分5千万）
aaazzz 发表于 2010-6-7 15:53

weinberger

The South Korean government didn't back down immediately, but they backed down 4 years later when the people took on the streets again. The Chinese government are so addicted to their power that they didn't back down 21 years ago, do not back down now, and promise to never back down.

现在就看看你的原话："When people in South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, and many many other countries went on the streets to demand democracy and freedom. Their governments all backed down, and gave their people what they wanted."
你自己说说韩国政府在光州事件中的所作所为叫“back down”吗？
WTTO 发表于 2010-6-7 19:12

weinberger

yes, that's exactly what he wants to say

楼主的这篇文章估计是共匪在企图打压、搞臭、和离间六四民运者、并使民众淡忘六四精神的时候,已经用过的旧稿？

主贴这篇文章满篇的阴冷，似乎在说：把过去忘了，也把它共匪的犯罪事实给忘了，不要脑子清醒,至于以后还会受它共匪的欺骗和耍弄，那等以后再说吧......
个人空间 发表于 2010-6-8 02:46

weinberger

Even the GCD are caught with blood in their hands, you would say that's paint. That's what you are paid to do.

在这些录像画面中, 大家只看到了整个的因果关系： 闹事、抗议、无序、冲突、至直悲惨的死人。然而，在看见大事夸张和渲染着“大屠杀”的标题下，却没有看到任何“大屠杀”的场景画面。
聊者 发表于 2010-6-8 11:54

weinberger

Where did I say In 1980?

我就烦你这样的大嘴，睁眼说瞎话。你可以有自己的观点，你可以捡对自己有利的说，但你不能歪曲历史。
看看你的原话："When people in South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, and many many other countries went on the streets to demand democracy and freedom. Their governments all backed down, and gave their people what they wanted."
我问你：In 1980，when people in South Korea went on the streets to demand democracy and freedom, did their government back down and give their people what they wanted? Yes or no?
WTTO 发表于 2010-6-8 12:28

weinberger

I don't know if it's the problem with your English or intelligence. When I say Mao ZeDong is dead, do I have to add 'Mao ZeDong is dead in 1976' to make it correct?

看看你的原话："When people in South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, and many many other countries went on the streets to demand democracy and freedom. Their governments all backed down, and gave their people what they wanted."
难道1980年的韩国不是韩国吗？你是不是要在 South Korea 后面加上 (after 1980) 啊？
WTTO 发表于 2010-6-8 12:38

weinberger

I was talking about the year 1987, the South Korean people took on the streets again demanding democracy, the South Korean government backed down this time, held the first democratic election in South Korean history, and the nation becomes a fully fledged democratic, free country. Congratulations to the South Korean people for their courage, persistence and strong wills in their quest for freedom.

那好，我就再挤兑挤兑你：
看看你的原话："When people in South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, Eastern Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, and many many other countries went on the streets to demand democracy and freedom. Their governments all backed down, and gave their people what they wanted."
我问你：When people in South Korea went on the streets to demand democracy and freedom, did their government back down and give their people what they wanted? Yes or no?
WTTO 发表于 2010-6-8 13:27

weinberger

Whatever,I have more important things to do than continuing this childish argument with you.

今天再考考你的英文和智商：When I say weinberger did not know who had fathered him, do I have to add 'He was six months old then' to make it correct?
WTTO 发表于 2010-6-10 12:23

weinberger

只有中共的军队杀自己的人民。民猪国家的军队是不会的 -- Who said that? A democratic government is legally elected by the majority of people, so when some minority group of people want to cause trouble to overthrow a democratically elected government, the army has the right to kill. A dictatorial government is never legally elected by the majority of people to represent them, so it does not have the right to kill its own people because such a government itself is not legitimate

51独轮运一惯的观点是只有中共的军队杀自己的人民。民猪国家的军队是不会的。今天才知道，民猪的英国在1972年就有军队屠杀老百姓了（Bloody Sunday）。现在快40年后才道歉。这新闻自由的民猪英国也没有每年纪念这Bloody Sunday啊。消息封锁的很成功吗！
aaazzz 发表于 2010-6-15 12:50